Announce the presence people




	Announce the presence people Keddie RR 1 post 16-Aug-05 10:31 PM I'm a railroad man who enjoys looking at the folk art tradition of making drawings on the railcars that announces the presence people, Although against the rules of the railroad, it was a common enough practice by the hobos and rail riders. I don’t know why ... its kinda just like reading the poems on the bathroom walls in a public place , I just cant keep from reading them. I cant but not feel that their has to be some kind of link with the "boxcar killer" and this case, for the guy to know anything about it ,,,you would think he would. I have seen the "boxcar killer or sidetracks" messages from years past... and I have spent the past few days looking for photos of them on the Web, with no luck. I can not help to wonder if the guy left clues of his exploits ... just to get things off of his chest ... I have seen other guys do it.... just today I spotted two names Dave & Jim (that I have seen many times ) saying that its not over and they where going to get someone and it was dated less then two weeks ago. or just seeing some of the guys drawings evolve over time , like the " J-walking figure" , that I must have seen a few hundred times over the years. Anonymous Guest 0 post 17-Aug-05 7:18 AM Hi David, Nice to see you. Maybe Robert Silveria knew Marty and Bo in Vietnam. Wasn't he a vet like them? He did live in the Keddie area at some point. I wonder how extensive his information was on this case. I wonder if he knew things that the general public didn't. Although I'm sure a lot of the details of the murders were public information. As it must have been the hot topic of discussion among the locals for years. Keddie RR 4 posts 18-Aug-05 1:51 AM I can not help but feel if the “Boxcar killer - sidetrack” wasn’t in jail at the time of the murders , people would have just taken newspapers word that he was the killer , we where looking for. The story would have ended at that point………. If the “Boxcar killer - sidetrack” didn’t do the murders , then maybe the Sheriffs did have one of the guys involved in the killings … and then “Boxcar killer - sidetrack” would have had the opportunity to hear the story in jail ……. Its not like we all wouldn’t like to hear news from home. Anonymous Guest 0 post 18-Aug-05 3:47 PM Craig, We're not really sure there was a third person, are we? Just because Marty and Bo were seen at the bar prior to the murders with a third person in army fatigues doesn't mean he was also there at the murder scene. Marty or Bo could have also been wearing boots that could have left those prints...or here's an idea, maybe it was a dirty cop. Aren't their boots very similar to military issue ones? And haven't the cops completely either bumbled this case or covered it up? Keddie RR 7 posts 19-Aug-05 10:31 AM Where’s valley at? , I thought this topic would be in his interest … well I guess you know young men … he’s probity chasing the girls … LOL Keddie RR 8 posts 19-Aug-05 6:38 PM Well , Valley said he was just a nobody …. And I wouldn’t have taken the time to see someone from a website … but he said a buddy’s name , who I like ….. So I did meet the guy a few months ago…. The buddy I talked to said that he only knew Valley from the computer over the years and he thought the guy was in his early twenties … LOL Mr. Craig… I am a more then a few years younger then you … but at one point you where talking about being in Quincy and having numb- chucks I don’t recall numb- chucks being vary common in 1981 … it wasn’t until a few years later do I recall them with movies like American Ninja …. Just before my time… I will have to get my old movies out …LOL Keddie RR 9 posts 22-Aug-05 9:08 AM Mr. Craig when I asked you to cowboy up , it wasn’t with your six-shooters “ loaded 45 “ LOL…… but more with talking to the law I have the strongest feeling you wish to tell everyone … but something is stopping you … is it fear? Zeus's Mom Guest 0 post 22-Aug-05 11:15 AM Craig, That does sound a little extreme... What do you foresee lurking around the corner. I think we all have moments of needing protection, but to go your whole life that way -- somethink must be really wrong.?.? Zeus's Mom Guest 0 post 22-Aug-05 3:09 PM Interesting, I didn't know that about your family history. My husband has the name Clanton directly linked to his family tree. I do understand, it's an ugly world. Like I said, I had to carry for a few years -- stockers take all fun out of feeling safe. Keddie RR 13 posts 22-Aug-05 5:55 PM Mr Craig you said “especially if a family is well known or is prominent like mine” The best I can see most people don’t care about who your family is …. Just on if you have the clues that can give closure to the Murder case And as I said before maybe you should change your family crest ….. LOL http://www.funnytimes.com/cartoons/content/20050406--Lee--perhaps.you.should.jpg Keddie RR 16 posts 23-Aug-05 9:55 PM Well, I don’t know how it is to be in your boat … it just doesn’t seem to be worth it ….. if you cant help your buddies or to be apart of a part of the world …. Kind of sad ,don’t you think? (well back onto the folk art tradition of making drawings on the railcars) But anyway I saw someone tag on a box car today … it was close to “side tracks” it was “Short track” the letter A is elongated and turned into tracks. I will keep an eye out…… Valley Flyer 3 posts 24-Aug-05 11:09 AM I was just waiting, hoping that they could get the old board back. Plus the fact that there is no "watch topic" option here. Robert did not serve, he was 15 years and 1 month old at the time of the fall. Plus it's doubtful he could have cleaned up enough to get in. Yes, he was supposedly in the lockup in Quincy that night. Does he know anything? YES. Will he talk? No. I've read recently that he has renounced everything he has said about his connection with the FTRA. What does that tell you? David, I noticed what you said about that tagging. Where was that? I doubt it was real FTRA, but it's still interesting. Valley Flyer 4 posts 24-Aug-05 7:28 PM Craig, remember that dude we saw at the depot? He's the right type, who knows. As best as I've read, it's too big, spread out all over the country, and the Man not know more than 10 % of their real names. Just like Cabin 28, "If we can't find em, why talk about it?" PCSD's silence on the matter is kinda deafening. Keddie RR 19 posts 24-Aug-05 7:50 PM Well valley , tagging is all over even on top of each others art work …. I saw the strangest one of all today … makes me wonder if we have a group of young guys hang out in the railyards looking for a story.???? I took a photo of it and I will email it shortly … its not my handy work … just the photo The tag reads …. Rich Bayarea Writers 05 …. It has a crown over the top of it …. I hope they could find someone like your self , to warn them about the dangers out their on the rails ….. Keddie RR 31 posts 25-Aug-05 3:56 PM I don’t know “Rich Bayarea Writers 05” sounds prety spooky to me … those guys don’t understand the world their playing in…....... i hope they dont get hurt Last Edited: by Keddie RR on 2005-08-25 16:09:36.093 LongTimeAgo 2 posts 16-Sep-05 9:36 PM Craig...His name is Robert Silvera........Also as I stated prior he WAS NOT in the County jail at the time of the murders.......If the P.C.S.O. is saying that,they may have some reason...Also they (PCSO) will NOT give out all of the Hold Out Information. Valley Flyer 24 posts 17-Sep-05 3:19 AM Sidetrack's real name is Robert Joseph Silveria Jr. Born March 3, 1959 in Redwood City. That is the correct spelling. I hope you can back up what you say. It has been definately been stated in print many times that Robert WAS in the lockup that night. I personally have felt that the accepted intel on that was a little bit wierd. Are you aware that when Robert "confessed" to Cabin 28 in March, 1996, that he also claimed that it was connected to a double in Havre in 1983. As I have stated before, "they" said that he had no hole card to play in that one. He then supposedly recanted the Keddie confession. I don't know how he fits in the overall picture, but a guy who is 21 years old, not from a poor family, has five years of durg use under his belt, plus one or two failed rehabs, just picks Quincy as a nice place to escape to in 1980. According to something he said to a guy in the adjacent cell in Auburn was that he had killed 18 people, and was present while 22 others were killed. Yet he has no real knowledge of Cabin 28, and couldn't possibly be involved. What's wrong with this picture?? LongTimeAgo 11 posts 17-Sep-05 7:39 PM First off Craig, here is your quote "Richard Silveras" Again its Robert..2nd I grew up in Quincy since I was 13.... I was 21 at the time of the murders...Dana was a friend..I knew Stoney well and everyone you seem to slam.....I don't remember you at all......I have been a Police Officer since 1986...I have investigation skills. When I read the post's from you, they constanly change...My gut instinct is to belive very little.........Some of the people you name I know...Quincy is and was a Great Town...It is the people who give it problems.....There is aditional information that the S.O. will not release even to Josh or anyone else. Not everything said from former deputies are to be belived. I give you credit for hanging in there...but it seems like you want to be the center of attention....Dave and some of the others are straight thinkers and don't overly push their point.......Sorry bout that...but that was one of the reason's I stopped reading the board.........May we one day solve this, so everyone may have peace and Closure....... New Guest Guest 0 post 17-Sep-05 11:20 PM Long Time Ago - thanks for your above post. As a relatively new person to this board and to this case/crime, I really appreciate your above input. To me, there are some posts are a bit confusing and don't make sense. But I believe you just hit the nail on the head. Keddie RR 119 posts 22-Sep-05 7:31 AM You’re an expert on pouring salt on peoples wounds … I cant believe your hurtful post you have made as blackeyed and guest … for that alone I hope you found your self a nest full of stockers Anonymous Guest 0 post 22-Sep-05 1:55 PM i was not blackeye asshole he was an asshole ok i even got onto him about his posts get it right Keddie RR 128 posts 22-Sep-05 2:43 PM Yea you made some lame comment about blackeyed pea … only after I pointed it out to you LOL, If I recall you where more worried about us spending time learning about the BTK killer , then the hurtful crap “blackeyed” was saying …… its kind of strange to have a screen name like blackeyed , its just as strange as someone getting “just about killed” the same time as the family and really don’t know anything about it …… Anonymous Guest 0 post 22-Sep-05 11:00 PM In all my years when someone talks like you and uses that kind of talk....I think even less.....Why do you post as Craig & Anon......David...Keep up the good work and the same to the posters who are trying to be real...... LongTimeAgo 12 posts 22-Sep-05 11:01 PM Sorry the above was me........David...Who started the Drug thing anyway.....From the orignal talk I remember from 81 the deputies and DOJ guys I talked to never said drugs were a motive.......I talked with a couple of my contacts at PCSO the last time I was in Quincy in August and drugs are really not an issue....Dana was the only one that I remember smoking a little dope at some parties. I have read alot of post's and Craig seems to embelish whatever is talked about. Craig what was the name of the old building accross the street from the high school. Again Craig I don't want to attack you......I'm just trying to fiqure you out.........I do remember when this happened and everyone was stunned...Even the deputies.......Lets realy look at Motive again minus the drug angle...and see where it goes....... Last Edited: by LongTimeAgo on 2005-09-22 23:21:35.95 Keddie RR 132 posts 23-Sep-05 6:58 AM I am afraid that I may have started the talk about drugs , after learning about the murders I went to the library and put the words like” murder and feather river “ into the search and that included all of the feather river … lots of murders and talk of drugs came up … that included every thing to date (it wasn’t 1981) … but also when I talked to a “carry all” driver who spent some time up their he started telling me about drug deals that go wrong up there, including places like Oroville. So my rush to try to help, I opened the wrong door … I am vary vary sorry. LongTimeAgo 13 posts 23-Sep-05 7:18 AM Gee....Thanks for you honesty.....There were times of drugs in the Plumas and Butte County....maybe even some ripoffs...It just seemed like alot of energy is spent on that point.......again no one know's for sure....I think that was a stumping point for Law Enforcement was the lack of motive then and now......think motive...motive..... Anonymous Guest 0 post 23-Sep-05 7:59 AM But isn't Craig very sure that the reasons the murders happened were because of the drugs? I thought he was the one to bring that subject up.. Anonymous Guest 0 post 23-Sep-05 8:21 AM On the last message board Josh indicated that there were in fact drugs stolen. But in the documentary I don't remember there being any mention of drugs... What could the motive have been if it wasn't drug related? We know that the murders were very violent and brutal, so there was lots of anger or hatred, but why? No drugs or alcohol were found in the autopsies of the victims. LongTimeAgo 14 posts 23-Sep-05 8:53 AM I remember a deputy telling me back then that he had never seen a crime scene like that in his life...that was also stated from an agent from DOJ..Who ever did this was in a blinding rage......There was no order to the mayham.....it was instantanious in nature and not thought out........ I know there are some who insist Robert was in jail at the time but I knew him well...He would lash out...then feel bad....At some parties he would just punch someone....then say I'm sorry.....Again Darrell Welch was the same type of person......... Again I do not know Josh nor have I viewed the video but.....There will be things from the crime scene that will never be released until the suspect(s) are in custody..As with my department...for any murders, we never release all information...lets keep our minds open....... LongTimeAgo 15 posts 23-Sep-05 9:17 AM This is a quote from http://www.crimezzz.net/serialkillers/S/SILVERIA_robert_joseph.htm regarding Robert "The victims, mostly drifters, were stabbed or bludgeoned to death and robbed of their meager possessions" The Sharps were obvioulsy not drifters but they were stabbed and bludgeoned. So again the MO fits Robert..then again ??????.....Someone mentioned in earlier post about a school box or something..... Anonymous Guest 0 post 23-Sep-05 11:23 AM LongTimeAgo, Are you in law enforcement yourself? You knew Robert Silveria? Was that because you lived near him? How long was he living in the Quincy area? The school box you're referring to was a school project of Tina's. It was a shoebox and the only item missing from the house after the murders. LongTimeAgo 16 posts 26-Sep-05 5:24 PM Sorry...I was in Yosemite for the weekend..So I could not respond....Yes I have been in Law Enforcement since 1987....The last 10 years in the Central Valley of California.Yes I knew Robert well...He was in in my circle of party friends at that time....So was Stoney...Hey David I went on the Logger train ride in Fish Camp...it was a steam engine wow...The suggestion with the school box was some murders will take some kind of trophy.....That is only a guess on my part...and is in relation to my prior post. Last Edited: by LongTimeAgo on 2005-09-26 17:27:59.57 New Guest Guest 0 post 26-Sep-05 5:43 PM Long Time Ago - could it also be that maybe Tina was alive and whoever took her brought that shoebox along because they knew she was attached to it. Kinda like a security blanket type of thing? Anonymous Guest 0 post 26-Sep-05 6:58 PM LongTimeAgo, I am also a resident of the Central Valley. May I ask, where specifically? I live in a very small town about 10 miles north of Modesto. LongTimeAgo 17 posts 27-Sep-05 6:02 AM Merced area......Good point with the school box...could be...It may of been taken to calm her down..... Keddie RR 137 posts 27-Sep-05 6:22 AM Hi , (Long Time Ago ) do killers often take trophies like the child’s school box ? I am still trying to understand how killers think , so that I could help this family .. At least it would give me something to do, to give me the feeling I am doing something helpful. ( Logger train ride in Fish Camp...it was a steam engine ) that is why most people fell in love with the railroad ,the old steam engines of days past . Sometimes I will give some of the guys at work hard time because the have gotten soft ….. The railroad loves hiring the children of railroaders after they are grown , now days engineers will put in a claim to get paid over and beyond the regular pay when their locomotive dose not have Air Conditioning …. Its not like days past when their grandfather was out in the 100 degree heat and next to the boiler on a steam locomotive… so it shows you things do change , who would ever had thought that way back in the days of steam …. I am sure it couldn’t be much different with how people look at Keddie now. Just wondering if something like this could have happened , because keddie was going threw a time of change , new owners and hopes for something good. I have a family member who was a contractor for many years and he would use the same guys for the most part , the guys weren’t the type of guys you would find in church on the weekend. They would do their job then get paid , then dropped off back in their world … for the most part unnoticed , This family member would use the same guys and over time these guys would get to know my family vary well. Not that I would hardly ever talk to the guys , but more from things my family member would say over the days with working side by side with them. It gets unnerving sometimes when you run into someone you hardly know and they ask things they shouldn’t know. …… but it would be one way to get young men in one spot and for the most part unseen. Last Edited: by Keddie RR on 2005-09-27 08:14:15.123 LongTimeAgo 19 posts 27-Sep-05 6:41 AM Yes it is sometime's normal for a killer to take something from the victim.....from something as a button from clothes to body parts...I guess it is to remind them of that crime...the BTK killer admited to that...As I stated on the old board..I belive it was someone they knew vary well.... It was common back then for drifters to do odd jobs for food and money as they would wait around for food stamps....At the time of the killing Keddie was a busy little town..I remeber the resteraunt was open the post office ect..the rail roaders were always going in and out of town....Winter we would go ice skating on the keddie pond. just below hwy 70. Gary Molath still owns Keddie and I remember rideing the canyon school bus with him and the Keddie crew. Also at most parties I went to we did not party with strangers....We never partied with the FRC students since we felt they could be "Narcs"...Some of the high school group would go to a party at the FRC Apartments of a friend. They only Bo I remember was a John Bo Gordon from sloat.......he was in the class of 79.....

	[Home] [Message Board] [Old Messge Board] [Timeline] [Photos] [News Media] [Tribute] [JH Film] [Feedback] Copyright © 2005 Cabin 28 Page Design by: Zeus's Designs