Idaho connection




	Idaho connection Anon Guest 0 post 01-Sep-05 12:07 PM I was going to join the message board, but I'm not quite comfortable putting my name out there, just yet. So.... I wanted to say that I really believe that the Idaho murders was a "copy cat" crime. The details released in the press are all to familiar to those of us that know about Keddie. The timeline for Duncan puts him in jail in 1981, so it doesn't fit that he committed the crime. However, I think during his years of incarceration, he met someone very knowledge about Keddie, and that someone talked. I don't think Duncan just read about Keddie. Duncan's method of stalking the Groene family was much more sophicated and preplanned. I think that's because he planned to be alone, without help, and he had to compensate. Salem New Guest Guest 0 post 01-Sep-05 12:30 PM Anon - I ageree with you 100% and I also think that the Keddie murders could have been a "stalking thing" also. I have not seen the film yet and I do not know much about the "facts", but based on the little I know, those are my feelings. Thanks for your post. Valley Flyer 12 posts 01-Sep-05 1:07 PM What both of you are saying is entirely possible. Stalking has not been talked about here, but there is nothing to rule it out. As to Duncan, what you suggest is possible, but he was in for so long that it would be difficult to trace all his contacts. He was in a state hospital from 1980 to 1982, when he was remanded as not receptive to treatment. He was in two Washington state pens from 1982 to 1994, and then again from mid 1997 to early 2000. Don't underestimate his computer abilities though, he is a whiz. Keddie RR 64 posts 01-Sep-05 1:18 PM I would buy a stocking thing first and foremost over stolen drugs any day of the week. …. Its seems kind of misleading when you hear that John took most of the violence … he would have been protecting his family ( he was the man of the house ) , I would think that it would have been someone after the younger ones …… only because one of the children was removed from the home I would say the stocker/s got his target. If it was a stranger at Keddie people would have noticed ….. Two many eyes in that town not to notice a stranger Last Edited: by Keddie RR on 2005-09-01 13:23:13.227 Susan 3 posts 01-Sep-05 1:18 PM Here's a thought- Was either of the suspects in jail/prison in Washington? New Guest Guest 0 post 01-Sep-05 1:36 PM Jack the Ripper - now hear me out on this one. I have friends in the London area and I go over to visit about once every 2 years. I have been to Whitechapel, which is where Jack The Ripper's killings occurred. Now granted, this is many years later and London has changed over the years. But there is still a small section of Whitechapel that has not changed, it is still the same as it was back then. It too, is a very small area and a stranger would stick out. But, somehow JTR got in and out of the area without being seen. Also, when he did his killings nobody heard a thing. Kinda like Keddie (no I don't think JTR was in Keddie). The "not hearing anything" baffles me because in the areas in Whitechapel where they have not done any changing of the buildings - the buildings are so close together. The street is only wide enough to fit one stage coach and that is it. So the person across the street from you would be literally a stones throw, much closer than the Keddie cabins, at least from the pictures I have seen. The purpose of my posting is this - just because Keddie is a small place does not mean somebody could not sneak in and out without being seen. Unfortunately there are people out there who are good at sneaking around. If somebody wants to do something, they will find a way to do it. That home in Idaho is in a small place and Duncan cased it for days and nobody new. Keddie RR 66 posts 01-Sep-05 1:47 PM Good reply … only two ways into Keddie that I know of … The hwy and the railroad tracks ….. So my question is how often did the teenager of that town sneak out to have fun … did they get away with it ???? Not ,that I am say the teenagers did this … but they would be a good example it could be done. New Guest Guest 0 post 01-Sep-05 1:58 PM Glad you got my point RR. Most people say Keddie is too small and an outsider would stick out like a sore thumb. I just wanted to point out that that is not always true and Jack The Ripper was something that popped into my head. Just because I was there in Whitechapel before and saw first hand. The "walking tour" I did of Whitechapel was only in the modern areas. My friends that live overthere, they know their way around so I got to go see the areas that they left alone. I could not believe how close the buildings were, they literally where separated by the width of a single stage coach. And yet JTR snuck in and out of there with out being seen or heard.............. Anon Guest 0 post 03-Sep-05 9:18 AM As did the murderer(s) in Keddie (and Idaho). For such grisly crimes, there had to be some noise. However, I guess it wasn't enough to alarm anyone. A stranger in Keddie would have been very noticable. I don't believe the Keddie Resort was renting out rooms or cabins to vacationers at the time. When you talk about Marty and Bo and an unidentified person at the bar, I assume you mean the Keddie bar? Salem Anon Guest 0 post 06-Sep-05 9:49 PM I can't give up on this idea. I am hoping that the Plumas County Sheriff's Dept is following up. They know who the suspects are. They could run their names by every institution Duncan was in to see if there is a match. Maybe Duncan talked to Silva (the boxcar guy). If so, I guess that would be a dead end. Most of Duncan's time was in Washington, but if Marty was from the Portland area, I'll bet he went to Washington once or twice. Also, someone (Valley, I think) pointed out that both Bo and Marty had been in N.Carolina. Duncan was born there. From Duncan's timeline, it didn't look like he went back there much, but again, you never know. If there is no match, then the Sheriff could look to see if there was anyone from Plumas County in the same jail/ prision with Duncan. Sounds like a tedious job, but we desparately need more evidence and the only way we are going to get that is by ferreting it out. Somewhere, something is being overlooked. I'm taking a break from posting for awhile, until I get the film and can watch it. However, I will keep reading! Salem New Guest Guest 0 post 06-Sep-05 11:03 PM Anon - I like what you said above, and like you I am too waiting to watch the film before I post anything else. I really don't have much of the facts. Valley Flyer 15 posts 07-Sep-05 12:23 PM Good thoughts, very good thoughts. But the problem is if Robert knew so much, how many stories did he tell around a campfire? As to a Robert-Joseph connection, very unlikely. Robert is not known so far to have frequented the Seattle area at that time. The problem with finding someone who might have been involved and did do time up in Washington around Joseph is that if they were not known in the Quincy area, maybe had a beef there, their records could show that they were in say, the Bay area. If they never had a beef in Plumas, they most likely went under the radar while there. The best person to ask is Joe himself, but he seems to have clammed up. Sheriff Watson is fully aware of Cabin 28 now. Who knows, maybe he will ask him sometime. Salem, I'll get back to you on that Sacramento case, it's listed on the A&ETV Boards somewhere, under "Have any cases gone cold?" Anon Guest 0 post 07-Sep-05 12:47 PM Valley Flyer - I agree with your comments, but it still seems like a place to start. Even if the Sheriff just ran the names of all the suspects (past and present)against the institutions' lists something might pop up. Also, there may be a connection with that Dr. Watsworth who was trying to help Duncan out. I understand he spent some time in San Francisco? but is mainly from Florida (that's where Bo is right). What I read about him makes me think he is drawn to people with "unusual" sexual preferences. Nothing has been said outright, its just an impression I get. He is some kinda psychologist or something. Duncan and our suspect could have met in a therapy session?!? If all leads have gone cold, we need to be looking for new leads. And whether we discover it or not, I would put money on Duncan's having heardof Keddie somewhere other than the news! Salem New Guest Guest 0 post 07-Sep-05 1:03 PM This may be a dumb question, and I have not seen the film yet but I have sent my check in to Josh. Regarding the boys that were "unharmed" - I don't know how older they were at the time but did the authorities ever check to see if they were molested in any way? (with the little facts that I know of, I am kinda of drawn to the "Tina" theory the most. But alot of times with these molestation cases these people seem to just want to get "kids", doesn't always matter what sex they are. Duncan is an example of this). JesseW 34 posts 07-Sep-05 5:39 PM /board/edit_message.cfm/2314049/111173/488807 /board/edit_message.cfm/2314049/111173/488807 /board/delete_message.cfm/2314049/111173/488807 /board/delete_message.cfm/2314049/111173/488807 Craig, A sex toy is not a Sex toy, some people are attracted to girls and some people are attracted to guys inquisitive-mind 4 posts 07-Sep-05 6:30 PM Molesters, whether victimizing children or adults, come in many varieties. Some will prey on family, some on strangers. Some prefer a specific sex, while others don't care. Some prefer children, some prefer elderly. It is about much more than sex. It is about control, intimidation, anger, superiority, and much more. It is about having no value for life. And, after being molested, you feel as if you have no value. Anyway, maybe someone in the area was fixated on Sue, and not Tina. Maybe Dana and John came home at the wrong time. Maybe Tina came home last and a small voice ask that she be spared. Maybe she was spared in the house to appease the child and taken elsewhere to be murdered. I'm just throwing out more posibilities. Too Close to Home 3 posts 27-Sep-05 8:55 AM I disagree with Craig. Molesters have preferences. The have age preferences and hair color preferences maybe they are looking for someone with freckles. And yes they don't usually go for boys and girls. Very few are switch hitters, when they go "shopping" they know what they are looking for, just like when you go looking for a new bike. You know what you what and just any bike WON'T do. Molesters are they same way as they rest of us in that aspect. They are just sick in the fact that they get off on hurting people, young or older or even in there age group. Maybe someone that looks like mom at a certain age. Maybe they had a beef with Dad as a kid. You were not the only person on this board that was molested. (Since this site is not about me, I decided to edit this portion of my post). I think I probably know what I'm talking about as well. Probably the one thing they do all choose, is the weak. Not physically so much, as emotionally. They go for those that won't say no, because they don't want to hurt the adults feelings or show disrepect (at least in a child-adult situation). You are not the authority on all. If you were...I'd call you GOD. Last Edited: by Too Close to Home on 2005-10-01 23:25:50.143 Anonymous Guest 0 post 27-Sep-05 12:36 PM except i got molested didnt i and did you and did you go thru what i went thru huh i dont think so shut the hell up look i did not say i knew everything just know about certain things i had experience with and had it done on me ok Too Close to Home 12 posts 28-Sep-05 12:06 AM Read the above post again! (Edited for personal reasons). Last Edited: by Too Close to Home on 2005-10-01 23:26:46.143 Keddie RR 138 posts 28-Sep-05 2:19 AM I am vary sorry about what you had to go threw ( 2close ) I don’t expect we will ever find any kind of compassion from someone like that ….. Its not like he doesn’t think the world evolves around him. I find it real strange that a man will come out and say something like that , guys just don’t talk about things like that (just like he told the world…. from just about Day one … he said he was a victim ) And if he did I would expect some kind of compassion for people who where truly victimized , like your self and everyone who lost their Family and friends I am not a professional ……. But I say a vary cold blooded person Too Close to Home 13 posts 28-Sep-05 8:05 AM Thank you KRR, but I didn't bring it up to draw attention to myself. I only said it to say that Craig is not an Island (although maybe he should by that one for 1.5 mil), bad things happen to ALL people, good and troubled. (again, edited for personal reasons). I learned years ago to forgive, and I did it without years of counseling. I just knew that if I didn't, I wouldn't be much of a functioning person. I would constantly be looking over my shoulder, and should I ever have children (which I've had 3) then I wanted to be a good mom, not carrying all this resentment and hatred with me. Tina was a friend of mine, and regardless of what craig says, I thought she was very pretty. My gosh, she was only 12, what did he want her to look like? Cindy Crawford? She had a very sweet and innocent personality. Whether she was the intended target, or just a by-product of the crime, that is what I thought we were trying to discuss. Last Edited: by Too Close to Home on 2005-10-01 23:29:46.457 Anonymous Guest 0 post 29-Sep-05 3:20 PM sorry too close i stand corrected i guess we have something in common after all and yeah habits are habits and they do choose their victims by sex too and by avaliablity. heya too close sorry again if i hurt your feelings i did not read that or missed it up there sorry again Anonymous Guest 0 post 29-Sep-05 3:46 PM TOO CLOSE DID NOT MEAN IT THAT WAY I MEAN IT MIGHT OF COME OFF THAT WAY TINA WAS NOT UGLY NOR PRETTY SHE WAS NORMAL LOOKING AND YES SHE WAS ONLY THAT YOUNG I DID NOT MEAN ANY DISRESPECT WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND IT CAME OFF WRONG PERHAPS A BIT. I DONT THINK CINDY CRAWFORD IS PRETTY SHE IS CUTE BUT MODEL MATERIAL I THINK IS SKETCHY ANYWAYS ONES BEAUTY IS INSIDE ANYWAYS NOT OUTSIDE AND SOCIETY AS A WHOLE DEPENDS TOO MUCH ON OUTSIDE BEAUTY RATHER THAN INSIDE BEAUTY. Keddie RR 140 posts 29-Sep-05 5:37 PM Boy , your words make me recall words that great men such as Nostradamus Had written hundreds of years ago Quatrain 8,14 Le grand credit d'or, d'argent l'abondance Fera aveugler par libide honneur Sera cogneu d'adultere l'offense, Qui parviendra a` son grand deshonneur. The great credit of gold and abundance of silver will cause honour to be blinded by lust; the offence of the adulterer will become known, which will occur to his great dishonour. One mans translation was …. “Most appropriately , the economic plight of the twentieth century includes soaring inflation and currency devaluation , alongside universal laxity in morals and lust rampant with little social restraint. “ Too Close to Home 17 posts 29-Sep-05 11:26 PM "sorry too close i stand corrected i guess we have something in common" We have NOTHING in common. And don't confuse me for one of your friends. Apology accepted however Valley Flyer 41 posts 30-Sep-05 2:23 AM I'm sorry, but you people are really getting out of line. First, this thread is supposed to be about a possible Idaho connection, nothing else. Second, I find it rather repulsive to be talking about molestations and relative "beauty" in people, especially murder victims. The relative looks of the victims has nothing to do with how they were chosen, at least not so far in this case. With Ted Bundy, yes, he had a preference. But the object is to SOLVE this case, this has no relevance that I can see. If Tina was taken for that purpose, it was because she was young and impressionable, and she was "available". Think about that, and remember what Dr. Lecter asked Agent Starling: "What does he covet? He covets that which he sees." I'm not sure that really applies in this case, but it's a place to start. And by the way, my own personal feeling is that Sue was a very nice looking lady, and that Tina would have been a very nice looking young adult. I've seen many women that turn me on a lot more than "pretty woman" does, but that's just a personal opinion. Keddie RR 142 posts 30-Sep-05 5:38 AM Sorry Valley, the only link possible connection with Idaho and Keddie that I have seen is where you where able to get a news reporter to even look at the keddie story, almost instantly it seemed … not bad for a self described nobody , it must be that you are vary good with the pen…. I have spent more then a few years trying to get news paper reporters to take the time to look , before it happens in their back yard … they just don’t seem to care….. Or its just that my writing abilities is just lacking for the most part. But any way good job. Too Close to Home 19 posts 30-Sep-05 11:06 PM Valley, I whole heartidly agree with you. TOP

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